Natural Hygiene Principles and Secrets with Dave Klein

   The Natural Hygiene Principles
   - Living in Harmony with Nature

Natural Hygiene is the science and fine art of living in harmony with
nature. It teaches how we can awaken our self-healing body and restore
health.

Dave Klein has been practicing Natural Hygiene for over 16 years. He
healed himself of a so-called 'incurable' disease. He shares his story
below.

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Mike Snyder
email: mike (at) therawdiet.com

Principles of Natural Hygiene

by Mike Snyder and Dave Klein
© 2007 www.TheRawDiet.com

Mike:        Welcome everyone. I’m very pleased that you can join us
tonight and it's a great pleasure to bring you my special guest, Dave
Klein. He’s a natural health author and a self-healing empowerment
coach. Since 1992 he has guided a multitude of people with disease to a
whole new level of vibrant disease-free health. His clients receive
empowering education with respect to the whole self: mental, emotional,
physical and spiritual.

He does diet counseling, self-healing and healthful lifestyle education for
many different conditions and he’s an author of many books including --
He’s a co-author of "Self Healing Power", "Your Natural Diet: Alive Raw
Foods" with T.C. Fry, "The Fruits of Healing: A Story About Natural Healing
of Ulcerative Colitis", "The Seven Essentials for Overcoming Illness and
Creating Everlasting Wellness" and Living Nutrition Magazine.

Today we have Keith Schaffer recording the calls from
www.SaveyourSeminars.com Thank you!

Dave, could you tell us a little bit about yourself, maybe a little story and
share with us some things that have brought you to where you are now?

Dave:        Sure Mike, I’m curious if I can somehow find out later on how
many people actually know my story because it’s fairly well known in the
raw food circles. I grew up in northern New Jersey and eating the
“Standard American Diet”. Around age 17 I came down with ulcerative
colitis symptoms which were pretty horrendous, going to the toilet all the
time, chronic fatigue, and bleeding, and, it was just a ruinous eight years
that I went through with that.

All through the eight years, the seven gastroenterologists I saw told me
that there was no connection between my diet and my health condition.
Being sick and miserable and just being offered medicines and exams -- I
was just very angry at the whole system and the doctors were always
promising me to hang in there until the wonder drug came along and I
would be one of the first people to try it.

Well, in the seventh year of my illness, I was having ten to fifteen bloody
bowl movements a day. I was just a weak sickly shadow of my former
self. My mental functions were about 20% of what it seemed like they
used to be and I didn’t have much of a life. And, somehow I made it
through engineering school and worked three years in engineering and in
the last year I started looking for diet help.

I knew that there had to be some kind of an answer out there I’d have no
idea what it would be. But, the only factor I can think of which might
have an impact was nutrition, so I went to a nutritionist and he just had
a bunch of pills to offer and that didn’t seem to make any sense to me.
And then, a little while later, I was in the phone book and I found a
doctor of natural hygiene who did diet counseling. I went to see him and
he gave me a diet plan of what looked like rabbit and monkey food.

So I thought that that was very strange, and I didn’t see how by eating
that I would not lose the rest of my weight and wither away and die. But
he explained about how the way my body can heal itself and he gave me
a bunch of information on natural hygiene. He explained how he
overcame hypertension and lost a lot of weight. He was the healthiest
man I’ve ever seen in my life and his name is Dr. Lawrence Gallant. So I
took the information and thought well maybe this applies to a lot of
people, but it doesn’t apply to me because I was going to the toilet all
the time.

To make a long story short, a few months later the gastroenterologist in
Manhattan said, Dave, the medicines aren’t working. It’s time for you to
cut out your colon or try a drug which will knock out your immune system.
So, I was sick and weak and shivering and pale and frightened and
realized that I had to figure this thing out for myself now because the
medical people are just going to lead me into a grave and the whole thing
just seemed like insanity to me.

So, I wasn’t going to follow any of this advice and so I went home and
started looking for answers and trying to think outside of the box for the
first time. Then, I got some big clues. I saw one book which said some
people never overcome colitis until they stop eating meat. And then I
talked to Lawrence and he said, “Dave, you can do it!” And then one
magical night, twenty-one years ago, I was reading information on
fruitarian diet, on the principles of self healing, on natural hygiene. And I
read a bunch of amazing empowering testimonials about people who had
overcome all kinds of serious diseases by just changing the thinking,
letting go of the mentality of treating the body with drugs and other
things, and just trusting that the body will heal itself and adopting a diet
of mostly raw foods or 100% raw foods.

So, I also understood that biologically our closest cousins are the
primates and the ones that are energetic eat mostly fruit. But, I also
understood that fruits and vegetables have all the nutrients we need,
they’re as nutritious as can be, and not the junky diet that I was eating
that was destroying my body and specifically meat was just rotting and
making my colon very sick. So, the whole thing made sense to me,
intellectually and even on a spiritual level. It was like a big spiritual
awakening. I understood that I had to make a big change in my life and
start living naturally, as naturally as possible, and totally let go of the
medical mentality.

So, the next morning I woke up, I threw away the medicines and tore the
doctor’s names out of the phone book and somebody was speaking to me
from up above and I just started doing juices and smoothies. I drank
smoothies and juices all day long and maybe had some melons with that.

On the second day I did the same thing. My gut started feeling soothed
for the first time in three years. On the third day, I started coming back
to life, seeing vibrant colors, my energy, my spirit was just soaring, I was
coming alive, feeling things I hadn’t felt in years because I’d become a
zombie being so sick and so drugged up. On the fourth day I started
doing solid raw food and I started having formed bowl movements and
the bleeding went away.

I was jumping for joy. It’s like being let out of jail. And, my overflowing
joy, I’d gone bananas, my family thought I’d gone bananas and I was just
as happy as can be.

From that moment, I just wanted to tell the whole world about this. So,
back then I needed to detoxify, rebuild my health and start looking
healthy. And, I was powerless to help people back then, but my plan was
to focus on my own health and build up my health and eventually I
changed careers from engineering to health education.

I just enjoy helping people get the information to overcome their
limitations, which is usually a toxic diet and incorrect beliefs, and live the
life which deep down they really are yearning to live -- Free of disease.

To me this is just a really wonderful thing that anybody can do, is to help
people learn how to eat healthier and live a life with more freedom. So,
there’s a lot I can talk about that I’m sure we can address questions later
on without me telling my whole entire life story in detail.

Mike:        Thank you. I had a similar story where I was going to medical
doctors for a skin condition I had. They would tell me there’s no relation
to your diet and this health challenge you have. So they would put me on
medications and it wasn’t until I discovered your magazine, Living
Nutrition that I discovered that the body can heal itself. So I started
practicing natural hygiene, and doing some fasting, and the health
challenge went away and it was amazing.

Dave:        That’s fantastic, Mike.

Mike:        Yeah, it’s amazing how the body can heal itself. So you
changed your career to Natural Health? Did you go to school for that?

Dave:        Well, I went to engineering school then worked three years in
that. Then after I healed up, I took a year and a half off, got back into
engineering and moved out to California from New York state. Natural
Hygiene teaches that in order to become healthy, we need to give equal
attention to about twenty to thirty different aspects of health and not
just become raw food fanatics and think that raw food is all there is to
becoming healthy.

Mike:        Can you describe your current diet and how long have you been
on it, eating this way?

Dave:        Yeah, the first six months I ate steamed veggies, potatoes,
and squash for dinner several nights a week. During the day, I’ve always
eaten fruit, especially in the morning. So, all through the twenty-one
years I’ve always eaten about three or four meals of fruit. Not huge
meals, just enough to satisfy and I eat them with or without greens,
lettuce, celery or cucumbers. And then, it depends on the season,
depends on how my body feels, depends on whether I’m working out or
not as to what I’m gonna have for dinner. It depends on the food
availability. I follow my senses. That’s why this diet started working for
me from day one.

I don’t know how I had this talent. Some people are not in touch with
their body and their senses and what their body is calling for them to do.
So those are the people who have the biggest challenge, it seems, in
trying to become a raw fooder. It’s a talent, it’s a skill which people can
learn by sitting and being present, checking in with their body and
learning to pay attention to different signals and let go of paying
attention to what the mind is saying. And by responding to our body’s
needs in this way, that’s how we’re able to create health and have
success in life. So again, your question was -- If you could repeat it?

Mike:        With your current diet... I understand it’s raw and vegan foods
with fruits, leafy greens, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Are there some
other foods that you include?

Dave:        Right, so, not really, not at all. I gave up meat and junk food
immediately. The first seven years I would have some steam -- Well,
after the first six months, I would only have steamed veggies, potato
squash, and occasionally some grains, some baked corn chips, just a few
times a year. The reason I progressed on to a purer and purer diet is
because my digestive strength was weak, I couldn't handle starchy mucus
forming food. They just gave me fermentation, made me tired and weak,
and unable to perform and think clearly.

So, my body needed the simplest and purest diet and that was really a
great teacher for me. I really learned how the digestive system works
especially for sensitive people, what they need to do. So, after the first
seven or eight years, all of a sudden I woke up one day feeling absolutely
fantastic with no cravings. I noticed that I had no more cravings or
attachments to the last cooked foods I used to eat, which was
occasionally, baked corned chips, hot air pop corn, and a few cooked
grains.

Since that happened, about seven or eight years ago, I haven’t eaten any
more cooked food. I basically eat fruits with or without greens, celery or
cucumber throughout the day, three or four times. And, I do that because
my body is calling for it, also, that gives me enough calories, enough fuel
to get through the day. If I don’t have enough sweet fruits with the
sugar calories during the day then late in the afternoon I’m tired and I’m
looking for a big meal or something to make me feel better. And if I get
into that tract I could overeat on nuts or something fatty and that just
doesn’t work for me.

I think it’s really healthy. A good way to keep your body clean is to have
sweet fruit with the greens throughout the day and plan on having one
heavier meal for dinner, if that’s what you need, which could be a salad
with one kind of fat. I think that gives the body the best chance to
digest the food and create energy out of it and build your bones and so
forth and it keeps up the cleanest inside.

So, for example, a salad with nuts or seeds or avocado or a dressing
made from that or coconut and, if you’re still eating cooked food, I think it’
s good to have a raw salad with every cooked food meal and have your
cooked meal be lightly steamed vegetables, potatoes, or squash. If you
feel unsatisfied like your not getting enough calories doing this, I think
the best approach is to eat bigger portions, and also stay physically fit
because when we’re out of shape then our spine is not strong and we’re
not in good aerobic shape then we would seem to be at the mercy of our
emotions and we are not able to have any kind of self discipline when it
comes to wrong food choices.

So that’s basically what I eat. Some evenings I won’t have any greens. I
might have some cucumbers I might have a bowl of oranges. Depending
on the food combining on how long it’s been before my previous meal. I
may have another kind of fruit meal in the evening. Sometimes I make
juices, I like to squeeze oranges to make orange juice almost every day.

Mike:        Is there a certain percentage or weight of greens and celery
that you should be eating every day?

Dave:        Well, that’s a good question. My response is that there really
is no “shoulds” when it comes to diets, we should all follow our own
senses because ultimately we have to learn for ourselves. Some people
absolutely swear they can’t touch vegetables, some raw fooders. Some
swear they can’t touch nuts or seeds. Unless they’re falling apart and
they’re anemic and looking terrible, I just generally say, that’s wonderful
that you’re following your senses and your body is telling you what to do
and you just sound so happy and feel happy.

So I’ve come across a few people like that. I also have come across a lot
of people who, of course, are out of balance and I may suggest during a
consultation, that they add more greens or they decrease the fat or they
get more calories from fruit during the day.

Mike:        Do you blend or juice often? Do you like the green smoothies
popularized by Victoria Boutenko?

Dave:        I think it’s wonderful when people get into making juices and
smoothies, especially in the beginning. I really encourage people to
explore different ways to create raw food dishes and drinks in the
beginning and eventually, most of them settle on a simpler diet and they
fuss less in the kitchen with making different things. I never have made
a green smoothie or had one in my life. It doesn’t appeal to me but I
think it’s wonderful that people like it and if they make it flavorful without
using overpowering spices, I think that’s a great way to get your greens
and your nutrition.

I love to make a glass of orange juice every morning. I squeeze about six
oranges, the regular Valencia oranges and one blood orange, if they’re
available and they’ve been available here for the last four months which
is wonderful, it’s longer than ever. So, one blood orange with the
Valencia orange juice make an absolutely delicious drink. So, that’s the
way I start my morning every day when I’m feeding my few cats around 7:
00 a.m. Then a couple of hours later, I’m gonna have some other kind of
sweet fruit. Maybe a couple of bananas or three or four bananas or a
melon, I usually eat an entire melon or sometimes two melons, or a bowl
of grapes. I may, after eating that, have a handful of dates depending on
how my energy is.

Then I may have a cucumber or two or a few stalks of the tender inner
celery stalks, or ribs I should say, or maybe a handful of lettuce or an
entire head of lettuce. So, after having those two meals of fruit in the
morning, I’m pretty much good until about, I don’t know, twelve or one o’
clock in the afternoon. And, depending on my activity level and how I feel
and the season, that just sort of dictates what my next two or three fruit
meals are going to be. I like to have choices of say apricots, grapefruits,
melons, grapes, dates around the house, because I don’t like to plan my
meal because I don’t know what I’m gonna want until the urge hits me.
And then my body always tells me what kind of energy it wants, what
kind of taste sensation.

It’s like a sensorial kind of thing where my body is just talking to me and
telling me what kind of food I want and I’ve done this so many times, I’ve
had twenty-one years times five meals a day. That’s a lot of different
meals and so I’m always paying attention to how these foods affect my
energy and leave me feeling. How they digest and how my mind and
body respond to the food. So I pretty much know what foods are gonna
work for me. If I’m not paying attention to my body and I have the wrong
kind of food because I’m stressed or on the run or whatever, I pay for it
with bad digestion. My energy doesn’t feel good and I just start eating in
distorted ways because I’m trying to correct what I did and I know I got
myself into a little bit of a mess. So, the thing to do when we’re out of
sorts and haven’t eaten properly is to clean out with water and just rest
and let the body purify itself and citrus juice and whole citrus fruits are
just about the best food if you want to assist your body in doing that
while still eating.

Mike:        I’ve gotten much more in touch with my body and how it feels
after eating certain foods. I noticed there was a big difference in
digestion of different foods. Do you like to mono-eat foods or do you like
raw gourmet?

Dave:        Well, complicated combinations definitely don’t work for me
because I have a history of colitis and really bad depleted digestive
system. Anybody that’s had really bad gastrointestinal illness,
inflammation for years, going to the toilet non stop for years, definitely is
not going to have strong digestion for a few years. And people with a
history of what I went through just don’t digest fats well.

So I was forced to learn to eat simply, and naturally I try to think
intellectually we really are designed to have one kind of food per meal.
So my instincts and my intellect were telling me that yeah, what Dr.
Shelton, T.C. Fry, and Doug Graham are saying that a mono meal is really
the best way to have good digestion and excellent health, it made sense
to me. So in the beginning I used to make fancy salads and it never
really did it for me.

On a deep level I really knew that this wasn’t really a satisfying meal.
Then later I learned just to eat -- If I wanted lettuce, I would have an
entire head of lettuce and that would be a mini meal. If my body was
calling for oranges, I would eat three, four, five or six, until I felt satisfied
and that was a meal. These foods have all the broad spectrum of
nutrients and I learned how to be satisfied and eat things mono style in a
way which was just satisfying and really helped me maintain a high level
of energy.

So, yeah, I’d like to encourage people to try just having a mono meal
once in a while or have a mono meal with say one other food, say lettuce
or celery. Just tune into the flavor of the food and just try to imagine
how nutritious these foods are, and to me it really challenges or
bamboozles my senses when I put two different kinds of foods in my
mouth at the same time which have contrasting flavors. Let’s say
tangerine and a grape or say some almonds and an orange. It’s like my
brain is getting two different hits on different foods, flavors and energies,
and that is a little unsettling to my mind and body.

It wants to enjoy and savor one particular kind of food and within the
flavor of each food there’s all kinds of subtle overtones with of course
different textures and coolness or heat to it. There’s different nuances,
there’s different sensational experiences we get from having one kind of
food and I find that to be absolutely wonderful. It doesn’t make me want
to stuff myself with five or ten different kinds of foods in a different
meal. It’s like I want to savor the particular energy and flavors of one
particular food.

I think a lot of raw fooders, they all revolve in this direction. So, if you’re
new to this, you’ve only been doing this diet for like less than a year, or
one, two, or three, you’re just a baby at this. We all went through this
and I think the deeper you get into this, the more your body is going to
give you clear signals to be simplifying your diet and eating less. That’s
another big subject we can touch on if you want, Mike. Like most raw
fooders, because they’ve had a long history of eating a standard diet
which is low in nutrients and high in really junk, the body is screaming for
good quality food which makes them truly feel good.

They tend to get it and when they get into the raw food diet, they tend to
overeat on everything, and sometimes that overeating can last for a good
three or four years of a one long binge it seems. I’ve met a lot of people
like that and I used to be one of those people. It’s interesting that once
I got satisfied and remineralized and rebuilt my body, that my body is
much happier and I haven’t lost any weight by eating a lot less than I
used to.

For example, in the past, I’d eat twelve bananas where now I’m satisfied
with three. I’ve saved a lot on my food bill and I eat a lot less and a lot
less has to come out through my colon which is less strain on that and a
lot less energy demand is put on my digestive system. I really never
measure my food, but I think I’m eating about a third to a half less than
what I used to eat in the beginning.

Mike:        When you measure it you sometimes don’t get adequate
calories compared to the cooked fooders, but I’ve found that you don’t
really need to eat as many calories and we still receive all our nutrients.

Dave:        Right. That’s a big point because if you’ve read Natural
Hygiene literature and so forth, you’ll see that it’s estimated that 50% or
as much as 60% of our daily energy potential, the energy that is available
once we wake up, goes towards digesting heavy fatty foods and starchy
foods on the Standard American Diet I was talking about and trying to
deal with the waste. So, on the Standard American Diet, the body is
almost constantly trying to digest food, the immune system and all the
other organs of elimination, the liver and kidney and so forth, most of
their energy is going to processing and trying to deal with the wastes.
The amount of energy that’s liberated when we do this clean digesting
diet which is really high in water content is phenomenal. I mean, it’s
more than 50% of our daily energy is all of a sudden liberated. So the
body uses that energy to improve itself which is by detoxifying in the
beginning and then rebuilding an entire -- at the same time, rebuilding an
entire new body.

After a few years of following this regime and eating well and not
overeating on fatty foods and going off on tangents with junk foods here
and there, we can build a much healthier looking, more beautiful, vibrant,
alive body which has much more energy. So for me to overcome chronic
fatigue and burnt down adrenal glands and just being so sickly and
miserable, to creating dynamic health, and believe me it took -- It didn’t
happen quickly for me, it took about six or seven years because of how
depleted I was.

That was just absolutely wonderful and it just brings tears to my eyes
when I think of what it was like to change from the person who had this
sad dreary low-energy persona to become a high-energy person. Who at
least when the whether is warm, goes to sleep at 10 or 11 and wakes up
at 4 or 5 in the morning totally refreshed and can go, go, go all day long
without even needing a nap and be able to do a lot of things to help
people and to enjoy life.

Mike:        So you found your need for sleep has gone down too?

Dave:        Definitely. If I eat fatty foods, if I have a few ounces of nuts,
then I’m gonna need about eight hours of sleep. If I eat nuts more than
once a week, it’s going to be eight or nine hours of sleep. If I’m not
eating fatty foods for several days, my body is cleaned out and my energy
is just out of site then, yeah, maybe five or six hours of sleep might do it
sometimes. When I’ve eaten a really low fat diet over the last few years
in the summer, sometimes I’ve woken up at 2:30 or 3 in the morning,
after just about four hours of sleep and just felt absolutely charged up
and ready to go.

I’ve learned from experience not to just use all that energy up by doing
things. When those times happened, I learned the best thing to do is
just relax in bed and just enjoy where I’m at and not try to get up and do
things and I would doze off. As we get older it’s really a good idea not to
overdo it with all this good energy we get.

Mike:        Should people focus on different ways they use the energy now
that they have so much extra? Could some people get burnt out?

Dave:        Yeah, definitely we want to avoid the trap of overworking and
I’ve learned -- I’ve been an example of a person who has overworked for
several years to get my business established to have a decent life where
I have a few dollars left over in the bank account after I get a Living
Nutrition Magazine out to people. We can tax our body, but we’re going
to pay for it and we can’t keep on doing it forever.

If we have to go through a stretch of working really hard, we need a lot of
relaxation time on the weekends, we need to go to bed earlier, and we
need to create a life where relaxation is really the goal, relaxation and
health. We obviously can do several different things to bring more
relaxation time into our life: shutting off the TV and the computer at 5:00
pm or at least the computer, just doing nurturing things, just getting out
in nature, just lying on the grass outside on your lawn, and not getting
caught up in the busy world.

Of course, being a raw fooder, it’s all part of getting back to nature. If we’
re hooked on all the modern technological wonders, we hopefully come to
the point where we see that all that stuff is totally incongruent with our
back-to-nature diet and our true health goals. So I’ve moved out to the
country and I’m surrounded by an apple orchard and twenty different kinds
of fruit trees and vines and bushes. It took years to get to this point so I
think it’s a really important goal for raw fooders to inch along and get
closer to nature and get away from the modern hustle and bustle of city
life.

I think another good point I wanted to make in this talk was -- To have
success as a raw fooder and to really create good health, it’s really
important to get in touch with our senses and to do that, it’s really
important to have some quiet time everyday to ourselves. If we live
within a house with a partner or children, it’s really important to just go
to a room or go out to a place in nature where you can sit under a tree
and just sit and relax.

If you’re not a fan of meditation, it’s just a matter of learning to relax and
get in touch with your body and observing what’s going on with you,
observing your thoughts, your mind and just feeling the earth. Sitting in
silence I think for at least 15 minutes a day, maybe twice a day, is really
important to get in touch with the body’s signals so we can respond
properly to our body’s needs and create tranquility and serenity and a
degree of self-mastery. I think that’s a really important practice to bring
into our lives: Sitting and being present, be still with our body.

In the next Living Nutrition, there’s a wonderful article by my friend, Dr.
Jim Dreaver, its called “The Power of Silence”. Every spiritual tradition,
every spiritual teacher is -- They’re saying the same thing: Be still, listen
to the sounds with them, let the mind relax and disengage from the mind
shatter. If we sit still, eventually it will happen.

Mike:        It’s a great point. Quiet time and meditation is very
important. It’s a very helpful tool to help get rid of cravings, calm the
mind down, and find some peace. A big part of natural hygiene is
maintaining health and avoiding disease. What do you feel are the
elements or factors of disease?

Dave:        Well, Dr. Tilden or Dr. Shelton, one of the early 1900 natural
hygiene doctors came up with the seven stages of disease and that’s one
model, that’s one way to look at it and physiologically it’s correct. So,
briefly, I always leave one of the stages out, but I think it goes
something like this. The first stage is, and you can correct me Mike if you
know or any of the callers can later on, I think the first stage is
Enervation which is we deplete our energy. The second stage, I think, is
irritation where the toxins are irritating our nerves and our tissues.

The third stage is inflammation, then ulceration, then induration, which
is, I think, a scarring in a pre-cancerous condition and the next stage is
cancer. I’m pretty sure that’s not seven, I left one out there, but that’s
their linier approach or model to looking at disease. And, it pretty much
holds true. I like to bring in the spiritual and psychological aspects of
health. I think a more holistic or balanced way to look at the factors that
cause disease are to understand that every illness has a psychological, an
emotional, a physiological and a spiritual aspect.

In the beginning when I was learning about what caused my disease, all I
was reading about, from the natural hygiene writers, was toxemia,
toxemia, toxemia. Later, as I started meeting some therapists, health
counselors, and spiritual advisors, I came to hear and I totally believe it’s
true that those four factors, including the spiritual factors, must be
considered in having a role in every kind of illness.

By looking at it that way, it gives us a bigger 360 degree picture of why
we got sick and we get out of the trap of just focusing on toxins in our
body. And, I can follow up on anymore questions you have about that,
Mike.

(Note: On pages 24 through 28 below is the article “The Seven Stages of
Disease” by Dr. Robert Sniadach)

Mike:        If disease is present and people need some healing, what do
you feel is the best way to awaken their self-healing body?

Dave:        Well, we need to start with education and education needs to
be based on physiology. Physiology is the science of basically how the
body works. We need to know the physiology, the workings of the
disease process in the body. We need to understand that everything that
the body expresses is expressed for an intelligent reason and every
disease symptom is created by the body for useful purpose.

We have a living body. The body just doesn’t do crazy things for no good
reason. Germs don’t come in the body and tell the body what to do and
start doing things to the body which directs the body’s actions. The body
responds to invaders, to toxins, to threats by enacting all kinds of
processes which we call symptoms to restore health. So, we’ve all been
taught in ways which are incorrect as to what the body is doing when it’s
sick.

We need to really examine our beliefs and probably pretty much throw all
of them away when it comes to health and disease and learn how to think
accurately about our body’s processes. I was scared and lonely and
desperate when I was sick. After reading Natural Hygiene one night, it all
made sense and believe me, this not rocket science here to understand
natural hygiene. You don’t have to study physiology books and go to
advanced schools take advanced courses to understand the disease
processes of the body.

Once I understood that my body was creating inflammation to purify itself
and it was creating the ulcerations which were all over my colon and
giving me all the bloody bowl movements -- My body was creating those
open sores on my body to get rid of toxins because it was so overloaded
and that if I stopped poisoning my body through what I was eating with
the medicines and what I was eating that my body would just finish the
purification process and I would heal up.

It made sense, I applied it, it happened, on the fourth day I was jumping
for joy because I knew it was true and it was happening. I healed up
within four weeks after being sick for eight years. We need to understand
the physiology and let go of a lot of beliefs about treatments and
therapies and modalities. We need to understand that our body has all
the self-healing power we need. Over 99% of the cases in people, they
can heal every single disease they have. Their body has the ability to do
it, and actually the symptom’s their body’s expressing is the self-healing
process, it’s just a sign of the self-healing process.

If we understand what the body’s doing when we have disease, and are
empowered to just let the body do it without worry, without interfering
with the body, the body will heal up in the least amount of time. If we
want to tinker with the body and try to change the energy and do all kinds
of things while we are awake during the day -- We’re usually just wasting
energy which the body would rather use for healing itself. The body’s self-
healing wisdom intelligence is way beyond what we can even imagine.

If we imagine the fanciest computer in the world, the wisdom, the
intelligence, the activities that go on in one cell in our body just works all
that technological stuff which man came up with. Our body knows how to
repair a cell which is just a micro universe in there and orchestrate all this
incredible healing and all the synthesis of new cells and balancing
hormones. It knows how to do all that and it does it best when we lie
down and rest and sleep and get out of the way.

People tend to think that this sounds preachy and they think they know
better, they’d rather do a colonic or Reiki, have acupuncture needles stuck
in them, try different herbs, or whatever. But, I’m trying to get these
points across in a loving way because I’ve experienced it. Everybody who
experiences it in a pure way where you just rest, fast, and let the body
take over and do it, they arrive at the condition of health much faster
than the people who are messing with the body and doing all kinds of
therapies which really never lead to lasting health.

It’s an amazing experience to do a fast or, and I don’t recommend it,
become sick and go through the rebuilding process like I did because you
learn really how the body works and you can’t get that information out of
a text book. So, I feel qualified to help people do this because I haven’t
just read it in the books, I’ve gone through it. I’ve learned from many,
many other people in talking with them, that most of what I experienced
is universal. I’m not just out there to teach what I went through.

It’s like I want to teach healing physiology and also teach people about
the psychological, emotional and spiritual factors which also have to be in
place in order for the body to heal and become healthy again. It is a big
subject. I absolutely love talking about it and basically it’s just a very
simple subject. The body has just awesome wisdom and intelligence and
it knows how to repair itself and rebuild itself and it’s a process that may
not be quick, it may take a lot of time and patience.

We may need a health coach, I certainly did. I would check in with Dr.
Lawrence Gallant, I would call T.C. Fry a couple of times a year and get
some encouragement when I was down. Eventually I arrived at a state of
really high wellness and just felt so grateful that I could pass this
information on to people.

Basically, it starts with reading some natural hygiene books. Dr. Herbert
Shelton wrote many, many volumes like forty books and of course some
really great books like “Natural Hygiene: The Pristine Way of Life”,
“Superior Nutrition”, “Fasting to Save Your Life”. I think those are the
three basics that everybody should read if they want to learn about
health. Natural hygiene is the science of health and it should incorporate
all the factors that have to do with health.

Some people knock natural hygiene because it doesn’t talk about
emotions and spirituality. It should. Maybe the writers such as Shelton
were not into spirituality and didn’t understand emotions which is --Most
people agree is true about Shelton. I’m not trying to knock the man, just
trying to point out that there’s a lot to learn about health beyond just the
physiology. If we can put it all together and relax into it and give it time,
then we can create really true health and live a good healthy spiritual
life.

Mike:        I was very lucky when I had health challenges because we had
the raw food festival come through town. So I was able to consult with
some of the natural hygienists working with Healthful Living International
and got to talk to Tim Trader, Doug Graham, and Roz Gruben. They were
able to give me advice and coach me through some water fasts which
helped me regain my health. It was the most amazing experience. Do
you feel it’s important to have a coach guide you through water fast or is
it okay to go through it on your own if you’ve read all the books?

Dave:        Well, it’s definitely important to read one book on fasting. I
suggest Dr. Shelton’s book, “Fasting to Save Your Life”. He wrote another
great book “Fasting for Renewal of Life” or some other title like that, I
saw both of those books. We need to learn about fasting. I think most
people, almost everyone, can do a water fast on their own for one to
three days. I can’t say enough how important it is to be home and
resting and not driving and doing chores and working on the computer and
doing all kinds of busy things while we’re fasting.

Dr. Shelton said we should only fast when we need to fast. If we need to
fast, we have a serious condition which the body needs to correct.
Obviously we should be conserving energy which is what fasting is all
about. We should be staying home and lying down and resting. It’s
giving the body a rest to correct itself. Instead of expending all of our
energy during the day or most of it for doing chores, we’re conserving
energy and liberate, or allowing the body to fully express its self-healing
powers.

Ninety percent of our daily energy is going to the body healing itself,
restoring itself, rejuvenating, repairing the cells and so forth. If we read
the books we become empowered to understand the processies. If the
detox gets too bad then we need to understand what’s going on and not
get scared and freak out and start doing something which is just going to
make the recovery even longer.

If we want to do a fast which is longer than three days, then I really
recommend that we do it at a fasting center. My three or four friends who
are qualified and experienced fasting doctors, Dr. Tim Trader, Dr. Doug
Graham, Dr. Robert Sniadach, and Dr. Virginia Vetrano, who doesn’t really
fast people anymore but she certainly used to assist Dr. Shelton in
fasting ten’s of thousands of people at their health school. They don’t
guide people by phone when it comes to fasting.

In some rare cases they have, I should say, but for the most part they
just won’t do it because you can’t see the client or the patient and the
person really needs attention. There’s a few, really good fasting centers
in this country but really not enough. If you go to an experienced fasting
center like, or qualified fasting center, like Dr. Alan Goldhamer’s place
here in my county, True North Health Center, you’ll get really good care.

Once you get into the third or fourth day when you start getting really
woozy, your heart starts pounding sometimes, and maybe you’re detoxing
and having all kinds of harsh symptoms, that’s when you really need the
doctor there because we really can’t think clearly. We don’t know how to
respond to those things. Sometimes those symptoms last just for a short
while and then we have just a really wonderful time doing a longer fast.

Also like Dr. Tim Trader who gave a talk earlier this year here at my home
office, he said, "I don't care how you do a fast. I'm more concerned with
how you break the fast." Doug and Tim and Robert, they will guide a
fasting patient for two or three weeks to properly reintroduce foods.
That's a pitfall which almost everybody falls into which is overeating,
eating too much food, too much fancy food too soon after fasting. To re-
acclimate the food it takes a while and we certainly need to eat very
simply the first few days.

I want people to get great information on fasting because it may be
exactly what we need to save our life. At some point, I think we’re gonna
need to know especially in older age if we want to save our life and avoid
going to the doctor or going to the hospital and have them pump us with
drugs or start cutting us. We need to learn how to take care of our body
and fasting is the most efficient way for the body to heal itself.

For that reason I’ve had Tim up here, and Doug here for a couple of talks
on fasting. At Raw Stock we’re gonna have, like last year, one of our hay
bail stations where we have different topics. One of them is going to be
devoted to fasting again. Robert and Doug and Tim are going to give
talks on fasting. Also, I should mention Dr. Rick Dina, he’s also a fasting
doctor, he will give a talk on fasting, too.

Mike:        There’s a group of us here in Portland who are organizing a car
pool down to the Raw Stock Festival and I’m very excited. I haven’t been
to it yet because we’ve always had the festival come through Portland,
but, yeah, it sounds amazing. Can you tell us a little bit about Raw
Stock?

Dave:        Yeah, and I’m really glad that you guys are car pooling
because this site is my friends farm and there’s not a ton of parking. It’s
real important that people car pool and that way we don’t clog up the
roads because there’s private residences surrounding the farm. We can’t
afford any complaints so we’re encouraging everybody to car pool.

If you want information, if you want to get in on our car pool list, we have
it posted at www.rawstock.us So, you can email me, dave@livingnutrition.
com and say, “Hey, Dave, I want to be on the car pool list!”, and you give
me your name and either phone number or email or both and we’ll get you
on there. Raw Stock is the most lively, amazing thing I’ve ever
imagined. I still can’t totally fathom that we’ve made it happen. Last
year it was just the most fantastic one we ever put on and everybody was
happy and we’re just totally pleased.

I created Raw Passion Seminars about seven or eight years ago because I
got into a position of being a really big networker and one of the co-
leaders of the Raw Food Movement. My mission was to give people the
best education possible by the healthiest, most vivacious raw food
leaders and so I created Raw Passion Production. I didn't create it for me
to get up there and speak. I was pretty new at speaking and pretty shy
and nervous about it. I created it so that my best friends like Roe Gallo
and Paul Nison to get up on stage and give talks.

At our first event, we had Paul and Roe and RC Dini, we had an absolute
blast. I didn't know Doug Graham that well then, but he said, “Dave, I
want to be apart of Raw Passion”, I said “Your part of Raw Passion!”.
Then we did a few more events. We did them all over the country, about
seven or eight of them, and they’ve gotten better and better.

Then I had the idea of doing the summer raw food jamboree at my
friend's farm, McDonalds Farm in Sebastopol, California, where I was
living for a couple of years. It’s a big apple orchard with a big rectangular
flat area where we set up a big 20 x 40 foot tent and we make a stage.
Out in the orchard there are hundreds of apple trees and we set up these
hay bail circular stations where we give lectures from. We also have a big
meadow where we throw down straw, where we have yoga and tai chi and
other sports games that Doug loves to lead. We have the most amazing
summer fruits and vegetables and the most amazing raw food.

We’re educators and we put on the most high quality, top notch, and
congruent holistic health education event that we can imagine. I have
many raw food friends and Doug, too. Educator friends who come and
they teach, for free, no one gets paid. Doug and I have been doing this
for years. We’re still in the hole by a few thousand dollars. So this is
obviously a labor of love and we of course, obviously, Doug and I, who are
business partners, we love having a good time, a good healthy time and
putting on some really good quality entertainment.

Having the best food, all these amazing fresh figs that Victorio Corearo
brings down after foraging all over Northern California and Oregon, and
giving people the best quality education. So, it got – I forget the number
12 or 15 different educators coming from all over the country to give
several talks to people. I think this is just a really wonderful way to
learn: out in nature just eating whole unprocessed raw foods.

A few years ago I started these Raw Passion Jamboree’s at the farm and
one evening someone was giving a talk. Doug and I were sitting down
next to each other and he whispered a word in my ear which made my
eyes roll back. He whispered to me the word “RawStock”. I never
thought of the concept before and, to me, someone who’s seen footage of
the Woodstock movie and listened to those amazing songs and lived
through the Woodstock era, it blew my mind.

I said to Doug, “Doug, we’re not ready for Raw Stock.” That is way too
big, I was trying to tell him. We are both incredibly passionate about
doing the biggest and best finest things we can do. I said, “Doug, this
event here wears me out as it is.” I was envisioning two or three
thousand people with nonstop bands and all kinds of incredible fun. I
said “Doug, no, we’re not ready for Raw Stock. So, ten days went by and
I couldn’t stop thinking about it.

Then, after ten days I emailed Doug wherever he was, somewhere else in
the country. I said, “Doug, we’re gonna do Raw Stock next year.” So the
wheels were set in motion and we started planning and this will be our
third one. For next year we have to find a bigger site because we can’t do
it at the farm anymore, we’ve outgrown it. We hope to find a really neat
big place out in nature. It hasn’t manifested itself yet, but I will be
looking at one next week in Northern California about an hour north of
here.

Hopefully -- We definitely feel like we’ll be doing this every year for a
long, long time. It just really -- Our creative juices just really get into it.
It just really makes the juices flow and we just feel incredibly happy and
satisfied that so many people have gotten really good information and
love it. Of course the best part is seeing the people and getting to
connect with old friends. I went to the first, I think, three Portland Raw
Food Expos and I just totally enjoyed them.

Since we all have our own slant on how to teach health, Doug and I really
want to do this the natural hygiene way and do it in my own backyard. I
was really driven to do it. This year I feel like we really got the best line
up and the best musical acts that I could ever imagine. The show this
year is going to be just totally out of site and I could just gush for a long,
long time about what we’re going to be doing.

Mike:        That is wonderful. There’s nothing better than being at a
festival surrounded by like-minded folks. We’re all into the same way of
eating. I’ll miss Portland Festival this year. I’m very excited to head
down to Raw Stock.

Speaker:        Hey Mike we have about 15 minutes left on this call.

Mike:        Okay. We can open up the line for questions now and at the
last five minutes it’ll start beeping. For the last two minutes it will keep
on beeping, so we can just talk through that.

Dave:        Okay.

Mike:        Caller, you can say your name and where you’re from.

Participant:        Mayden, Maryland, Hi. I had a question. I’ve been
hearing you speak and you talk a lot about fruit, but I’ve been a raw
fooder for about two months now and I can’t do fruit because I have
Candida, any suggestions on that?

Dave:        Yes, are you 100% raw or -- ?

Participant:        Yes, I kind of went straight forward. I went from total
SAD (Standard American Diet) to 100% raw.

Dave:        When you eat fruit, what happens?

Participant:        I get really bad headaches and rashes.

Dave:        Many people have overcome Candida eating a diet of mostly
fruit.

Participant:        Really.

Dave:        There’s a few basics I’m going to give you because our time is
short. I don’t want to sound like I’m being short with you or snappy. I’m
going to give you the basics and I hope this is really information that
makes you happy. You can eat as much fruit as you like provided that
you follow good food combining. You don’t mix it with fats and you don’t
overeat on fatty foods which means no more than about three or four
ounces of nuts per day. Eat just one kind of fatty food per day because it’
s the fat which blocks the sugar uptake into your cells and makes all the
sugar backup.

If you’re off of starchy foods, if you’re off of dairy foods and junk foods,
and you follow the food combining and you just have one fatty food for
dinner, you can have as much fruit as you want. I’m not saying this
lightly, because I’ve talked to all the other natural hygiene doctors, such
as Doug Graham and so forth, and they’ve all coached people and helped
them overcome Candida. Yes, the fruit has sugar in it, but remember fruit
is about 80% to 95% water.

It’s not like eating solid sugar, it’s not like eating dried fruits. I’m talking
about eating juicy fruits, and you can have all you like. You’ll clean out,
the junk will come out of your skin after a few weeks, your skin will clear
up, the symptoms will be gone. So, you just have to understand that
your body needs to clean out and you will not have these Candida
symptoms. The Candida will wash out the internal environment. The pH
will become the proper pH so that Candida can’t live in there anymore. It’
ll wash out, your body will detoxify and the Candida is not going to come
back if you’re a 100% raw fooder unless you’re eating…

Participant:        And that’s just by eating fruit?

Dave:        Absolutely, it’s happened so many times that it is true. I
know many people who eat mostly fruit and it seems especially women
have come into this diet with Candida and it washes away. So, you have
to remember that fruit did not cause the Candida. It’s really not logical
to think that it is what’s going to perpetuate your Candida.

Participant:        And how long do think it will take to fully restore the pH
balance?

Dave:        I would read my article on detoxification. It’s on my http:
//www.selfhealingempowerment.com website.

Participant:        Okay, and I have all of that.

Dave:        Or it’s been in my magazine or in a couple of my books. If you’
re doing the diet properly, if you’re not stressed from, say, a hectic job, if
your adrenals are not burnt out, then most people will clean out the
grossest stuff in their body within about a month. I’ve known people,
their skin breaks out and they have some diarrhea, headaches the first
month. Then, everything becomes clear and they are doing 100 times
better after those first four to six weeks.

You need a lot of rest when the body is detoxing because we become
tired. We can’t get down and conclude that “Oh, this diet doesn’t work,
the Candida is going to get worse and worse and worse”. Like I said
before, if we understand the physiology and let the body just clean out
and if you have some mentors, if you’ve seen some other raw fooders who
have gone through it, then you’ll feel good about it and say “Okay, I’m
just going through this phase which will only take a few weeks and I’m
gonna stick with it, and I’m gonna keep on going, and I’m gonna look as
good as some really healthy looking raw fooders who eat a lot of fruit and
have a really enjoyable life”.

Participant:        Okay, great, thank you.

Mike:        Are there any other questions?

Participant:        This is Christine from Montana. I have a daughter who’s
13, she’s been eating raw. I’ve been eating raw for a year and my
daughter’s been eating raw since Christmas and she still hasn’t lost any
weight and she eats a lot of fruit, watches her food combining. It seems
like her colon is still impacted and I’m wondering if it’s just a matter of
more time or do you ever use herbs to help breakup impaction in the
colon?

Dave:        What’s her height and weight?

Participant:        She’s 5’4” about one hundred and -- 5’3” one hundred
twenty. She doesn’t need to lose much but she’s -- It’s enough that she
feels uncomfortable.

Dave:        Does she tend to be constipated and not have a bowl
movement everyday?

Participant:        Yes, she gets constipated very easily.

Dave:        Does she exercise?

Participant:        Yes, she plays soccer.

Dave:        Okay. Well, this is pretty typical especially in women. Their
bowels tend to be constipated and sometimes even eating the juiciest
diet, I have a former girlfriend who was this way and she’s not
overweight, but she used to sometimes live on watermelon in the summer
and she would still complain that her bowls wouldn’t move. Like I said
before, you have to look at all the aspects of health. In her case, I think,
emotions were the biggest factor. She was tense and living in anxiety all
the time.

Our gut is obviously deeply connected to our emotions. I guess we can’t
get into it too much but, you can take a look at the mental and emotional
makeup of your daughter and see if she has any fears or stress going on
which is making her gut become tense. When our gut is not relaxed or we
don’t feel comfortable or well, if we’re under pressure, peer pressure or
whatever, our gut becomes tight and we don’t eliminate well and that’s a
big reason why I came down with colitis symptoms. I was uptight, my
gut became -- I had all these emotional contractions in my gut and that’s
how I was responding to stress.

It will also help your daughter if she does a lot of stretching and yoga for
her lower back and pelvis. I don’t think because she’s young and she’s
not overweight that she has much impaction going on. It’s definitely
going to help her to eat a high water content diet and not eat dry hard
foods everyday and certainly just really minimize them. Eventually as she
becomes healthy emotionally and is not stressing her bowel with hard
foods, then her bowel will relax and if she’s getting enough sleep her
body will have enough nerve energy to have the bowel movements.

Basically, when people are not having bowel movements, they could be
impacted especially if they’re really overweight and eating meat and all
kinds of starchy foods. But, your daughter is not doing that, so I would
just say that she just needs time and she now needs a lot of extra rest.
Nerve energy is what powers the peristalsis and we don’t have enough
nerve energy if we’re stressed and not getting enough rest during the day
and not getting enough sleep. Nerve energy only comes from one place,
from sleep. Getting extra sleep is like recharging our batteries to a higher
level than before and when we have enough nerve energy flowing through
our organs, through our bowel, then peristalsis is easy.

Participant:        Okay, thank you.

Dave:        Sure, any more questions?

Participant:        This is Tina. I have a question about hunger. A true
sign of hunger, when your stomach is growling, I’ve heard it’s not really a
sign of hunger, is that true? Because I know when my stomach is
growling I need to eat.

Dave:        That’s a great question. It takes about five or ten minutes to
explain it. I just want to mention that -- Boy my mind is -- I got so much
information. I can’t remember if it’s in the current issue of Living
Nutrition or the upcoming issue. There’s an article on “What Is Hunger?”
There’s actually two articles one by Dr. Vetrano and there’s also another
one by Dr. Vetrano with Victoria Bidwell. So, Shelton and Dr. Vetrano
write that true hunger is experienced as a sensation in the back of the
throat. I know from experience and studies that grumbling of the
stomach really isn’t even hunger.

It takes years of cleaning out and eating properly and getting beyond
emotional attachments or getting beyond emotional eating patterns to
understand that when our belly is empty and gurgling that usually that’s
got nothing to do with hunger, it’s not hunger. When our belly becomes
empty and it’s gurgling, it just means just that. Most people don’t even
experience true hunger because they’re eating really a lot of food through
out the day because it’s available for us modern humans. It takes -- I
would read those two articles -- you can email me dave@livingnutrition.
com and I’ll email them right back to you tomorrow morning. You’ll learn
a lot from them. Also, I’ve written an article on somatic inquiry, inquiring
into the gut to find out what these feelings are.

Participant:        Hi Dave, this is Renee from Atlanta. I wanted to ask
you a quick question about -- Do I have time for another question?

Dave:        Okay, fire away.

Participant:        What are your suggestions for getting younger kids like
teenagers and younger to get started on a raw diet? What kind of ideas
do you have that will make it appealing to them?

Dave:        Take them to a Raw Food Seminar, one where they can maybe
participate in making the food and seeing other children. Like a seminar
that maybe Victoria Boutenko, or Jackie and Gideon Graff put on
seminars. Their site is http://www.sproutrawfood.com and their yahoo
group is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sproutrawfood/ So you’re
in Georgia?

Participant:        Right, yes.

Dave:        Yeah, I would try to go to some potlucks with them and also I
would get them the book titled “"Eating Without Heating" by the
Boutenko Kid's.

Participant:        Are you in Seattle? My oldest lives in New York, he’s a
vegetarian now but my youngest daughter lives in Seattle now with her
dad. So, I wanted to know if you know anything in Washington, Seattle
area?

Dave:        My friend, Dr. Doug Graham, knows a lot of raw food activities
up there so, email me and I’ll connect you with Doug. Actually, the raw
family wrote a book called “The Raw Family” and “Raw Kids”.

Participant:        I have that, right. I just bought those two to see if that’
ll help.

Dave:        You can read those books, you can get a bunch of food and
just like have a creative, playful day. "Primal Mothering in a Modern
World" by Hygeia Halfmoon. it's about fruitarian mothering. It gives
great ideas about making fruit pops and sharing food together.

Participant: I’m having some bad issues with detox. And when I started
out doing raw food, I was doing 100% and I felt great and then after a
couple of weeks, It was real hard to get out of bed. What would you do?

Dave: Well, I’m going to tell you what I’d do. As a health counselor,
what I do is go through a questionnaire; it’s about 4 pages where you tell
me your health background, your past diet, your current diet and a lot of
other little things or major things like “Are you working full time? How
many hours of sleep do you get? What has your diet been like?”

  I mean, some people eat 100% raw food diet but they’re way overboard
on some kind of foods, say nuts and seeds or nut butter or avocado or
something like that and it’s really affecting their health in a negative
way.

  So I would need to know a lot more information about what you were
eating before, what are your height, weight and age? Some people, you
know, actually need to lose 50 pounds. Some people are working a
stressful 9 to 5 job which is actually taking up 90% of their day and their
body doesn’t even have the energy to keep itself balanced when they
start on a raw food diet which triggers a total housecleaning.

  So for some people who have had compromised health by eating a
pretty bad diet which may be high in fried foods or a lot of meat and dairy
and other mucus forming foods, a good portion of those people have a
really difficult detox. It really can be impossible to do if you’re working a
full time job.

  My case is really unique. I was sick for 8 years and the last 6 months, I
was just home resting. I got fired from my engineering job and I was
such an absolute physical wreck, going to the toilet non-stop and just
being all stressed out and nervous because of malnutrition and being on
medication and going to the toilet all the time.

  So once I started this diet, I knew I was going to lose weight even
though I was already very thin because I had 8 years also of colitis and I
was lucky in regards that I didn't have a family to take care of, I had
money saved up from disability and whatever and I was able to do the full
detox and be at home and not have any responsibility other than take
care of myself.

  So I gave myself a gift, I gave myself a year and a half off to detox, to
educate myself, to enjoy life a bit, taking a trip to Europe, hiking the
Appalachian Trail a bit and just trying to integrate this whole new way of
being, a totally new mind, body and spiritual way of being on this planet,
trying to integrate all that and to get myself together so I can get back
out into the world.

  So when we’re detoxing and it’s rough and we’re tired, what’s going on
is the tissues, the cells are all floating toxins into the blood stream and it
circulates around, goes to the brain and it makes us tired, it makes us
spacey and we basically need lots of extra rest and sleep.

  So when this is happening, the best thing to do is get total rest and
sleep and just mitigate or completely stop all unnecessary activities. You
don't want to be working out. You don't want to be doing anything other
than walk. If you have a job and you’re really not feeling good, the best
thing to do is take a sabbatical. If you can’t do that, ask if you can work
part time because your body is doing the most amazing rebuilding.

  It’s doing the most amazing task it’s been asked to do since you were
an infant so it needs a lot of extra time and rest to accomplish all of
this. When we’re awake during the day and active, energy’s being
extended for things other than healing and rebalancing.

  So if we conserve our energy and rest which is what natural hygiene
teaches and learn the finer points of say food combining and read Dr.
Shelton’s book on fasting and understand better how the body works, the
self healing power where I put in a lot of T. C. Fry’s and Shelton’s writings
and some of my best ones. You understand how your body works to
create health and establish a new level of heath and you understand the
process and you’ll give your body the requisites of health and mainly, I’ll
say it again, it just takes a lot of extra rest and sleep and a ton of
patience. So it’s a matter of time and patience and rest and sleep.

Mike:        Okay, thanks. Which fasting book did you recommend?

Dave:        There’s two that he wrote that I know of, I sell the two
biggest ones I know of that’s Fasting Can Save Your Life, that’s the
classic, and then the other one I have here on my shelf is Fasting for
Renewal of Life.

Mike:        Dr. Herbert Shelton?

Dave:        Right. And he had a fasting clinic, it’s something you don’t
know, it was called the Shelton Health School, he ran it for about 40
years, Dr. Vetrano actually ran it for him, where he conducted maybe
50,000 fasts and helped most of those people recover a higher level of
health than they had before.

Jenny: What is your typical diet?

Dave:        I have about 4 or 5 not big meals, I wouldn't say mini meals
but I just have, after years I just learned to not overeat on sweet fruit
and just have a satisfying portion. I have some lettuce with it or in
between it and/or cucumbers and so after years of doing this, you get into
a groove eventually and you learn to become more adept at not
overeating and you learn how to space out your meals and follow the fruit
combine where you don’t end up with gas or constipation or whatever.

  So I love to have orange juice in the morning so I usually squeeze
some Valencia’s and one blood orange and it makes an absolutely
delicious drink. And then about an hour or two later, I’ll have some sweet
fruit, maybe with a few handfuls of lettuce I just tear off of the head or
some peeled cucumber.

  So I may have a couple of bananas or a small bowl of dates followed by
or with some cucumber, celery or lettuce. And then maybe two or three
hours will pass because dates and bananas are really sustaining, they’ll
sustain me for about 3 hours or more and then I’ll just see what my
senses are going for.

  I know that if I don’t have 3 good meals of fruit during the day, then
around dinner time, I’m going to be really hungry and I’m going to want to
have something that will make my blood sugar go up.

  So if I eat the 3 or 4 medium sized meals throughout the day and I can
have like cucumbers or lettuce in between it; that’s what I found that
keeps my energy sustained and balanced. I don’t want to have swings in
my blood sugar. I used to have awful swings which lasted for years. And
then I solved this by sticking with a diet by my body eventually re-
mineralizing and by getting more sleep and learning how to handle my
emotions better and staying in good shape.

  Then for dinner, I used to mix salads years ago but I don’t mix salads
any more. I may just go out to the garden and eat a bunch of tomatoes
out of the garden or if I’m getting them from the store, just cut up a
bunch of tomatoes. Right now I’ve got corn in my garden; I might have
that with greens and/or cucumber. If I haven’t had anything like corn or
nuts or seeds for dinner, then I might just have some more fruit or
oranges.

  In the winter when it’s colder, my body craves the fatty food more so I
may fill up a bowl with two heads of lettuce shredded up or just torn up,
maybe some slices of cucumber and then in the blender, I’ll blend about 3
or 4 ounces of raw macadamia nuts or soaked almonds and I learned this
from Doug Graham, I blend, I put also the juice from say 1 or 2 oranges in
the blender with the water and the nuts and seeds and I make it into a
dressing.

  So I pour the dressing over the big salad and it makes a really filling
meal which is relatively easy to digest. I found if I just eat hard nuts and
seeds, it just doesn't work. I wind up overeating on them and it can
make my gut achy. So I coach everybody to explore different styles.

  My model for healthful eating is you have 3 or 4 meals of fruit
throughout, with or without neutral green vegetables, which is lettuce,
celery, cucumber, kale, keep in good shape, don’t make food the central
thing in your life and then plan your dinner.

  So then late in the day or late in the afternoon when dinner time is
coming around, I encourage people to tune up their senses and see what
their bodies want. Are you craving something fatty? Are you craving
something salty like tomatoes?

  You can actually blend up avocado with tomato or nuts or seed, if you
soak them a couple of hours, it makes them much easier to digest. If you
blend them up with say some celery and parsley, tomato, you’ll get a nice
fatty and salty kind of dressing for a salad and that may do it for you.

Jenny:        Well I’ll tell you, it’s making me hungry just listening to you.
It sounds so wonderful.

Dave:        Yeah, it’s like stepping into the Garden of Eden when we get
this raw food message and we feel like kids. I've been through and seen
a lot of my friends the first 3 years; they can’t stop eating raw food.

Mike:        Thank you everyone, I’m so glad you could join us on this call
and thank you Dave it’s a great pleasure to have you on the call.

Dave:        Well, thanks for doing this, Mike and that was fun I could go
another hour, but next time if you want another speaker, if you want me
to do it again I’ll be glad to do it.

Participants:        Oh that'll be great, thanks. Thank you.

Dave:        You’re welcome, bye, Mike.

Mike:        Bye Dave, see you at Raw Stock have a good night.

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“To come upon the gift that is enlightenment, it is vital to take frequent
time for inner silence, and the best place to find that silence—until you
have awakened to it within you—is to go out into nature.

Being in nature connects you, literally, with your own inner, essential
nature. The experience of being in nature is invariably transforming,
healing, renewing.”
Dr. Jim Dreaver

    The Seven Stages of Disease

by Dr. Robert Sniadach
rwsniadach@transformationinstitute.org
http://www.transformationinstitute.org/

There are seven stages of disease. The underlying cause of disease in all
stages is enervation and subsequent toxicosis.

1. Enervation

This first stage is called enervation. Most people call it nervous
exhaustion, or just plain “tired and run down.” Enervation is a state in
which the body is either not generating sufficient vital energy for the
tasks the body must perform, or the tasks the body must perform may be
greater than the normal vital energy supply can cope with.
In any event, the body becomes impaired, and an impaired body
generates less vital energy if the conditions of overwork or non-
regeneration persist. The great revitalizer is sleep, for sleep regenerates
vital energy. Insufficient sleep and rest are the primary causes of
enervation. Once enervation exists, all body functions are debilitated and
diminished. This can quickly lead to:

2. Toxicosis

When toxic substances from whatever source saturate the blood and
tissues, the lymph system and interstitial fluids, then the condition of
toxicosis exists. Living cells are surrounded by waste products - garbage.
Tissue and blood saturation with toxic materials can be caused by both
internally generated wastes and pollutants taken in from the outside
which the body has not been able to eject from its domain. Intoxication
occurs when we overload the body with toxic materials from the outside,
or we fail to observe our capacities, and overwork, get insufficient sleep,
or are subjected to great stress, or when any number of other factors
deplete the body of vital energy or prevent its sufficient regeneration.

For instance, stresses, emotional shocks, or traumatic experiences can
drain our bodies of vital energy very quickly. Often toxicosis creates
feelings of unease, vague discomfort and subtle negative emotional
states. At some level of intoxication we begin to experience the next
stage of disease which is called:

3. Irritation
Irritation results from toxic materials being sensed by our nervous
system. Any toxic material, be it salt, caffeine, condiments or external
chemicals will irritate or stimulate. This is a condition wherein the body
sets in force its defensive mechanisms and accelerates its internal
activities.

This might well be likened to an alarm aboard ship where all hands are
summoned. A frenzy of activity results in a bout with enemy forces.
Unfortunately, this often temporarily makes us feel good or hyperactive or
even euphoric. It is distressing to see a euphoric condition arise out of a
situation that is damaging to the organism. If the causes of
enervation/intoxication/irritation remain in force and the body can’t cope
with it the body initiates a responsive crisis called:

4. Inflammation

This is usually the stage in which physicians recognize pathology. It is the
stage where sufferers are keenly aware of a problem, for it involves pain.
As well, it involves bodily redirection of vital energies. The intestinal tract
is closed down. Energy that would normally be available for digestive
activity is preempted and redirected to the massive effort to cope with a
severe condition of intoxication. Energy is also redirected from use by the
muscles. There is little or no desire to be active; all sensibilities demand
that you sleep and rest. Lest the integrity of the organism be dealt a
mortal blow or become crippled, the body musters its all to the emergency.

In inflammation, the toxicants have usually been concentrated in an organ
or area for a massive expulsive effort. The area becomes inflamed due to
the constant irritation of the toxic materials. When inflammation exists
we are said to have an “itis,” appendicitis, tonsillitis, sinusitis, hepatitis,
or nephritis for example. The names of “itises” are usually after the organ
or tissue area that is inflamed.
Thus if we have a cold we have rhinitis. If we have inflammation of the
sinus cavities we have sinusitis. If we have inflammation of bronchial
tissue we have either bronchitis or asthma. And so it goes. We have
these peculiar pathologies because in each case the body elected to
eliminate the extraordinary toxic load through the organ affected.
For instance, asthma exists because the body has selected the bronchi as
an outlet for toxic materials. The condition is chronic because the toxic
condition is unceasing. While the sufferer continues to intoxicate himself
or herself, the body continues to eliminate the overload through the
bronchi or alveolar tissue.

Why does the body choose one site or another for elimination? There are
many variables to consider to answer this question. There is the
predisposing genetic “constitution” that you are born with. Some of us can
handle increased elimination through normal channels, while others do
not have this capacity and the body has to rid itself of the extra poisons
through the skin via pimples, rashes, etc. Also we must consider that the
type of toxic material being eliminated will tend to be detoxified by one
or more particular organs. Also the outlet that is most convenient for
excretion, nose, eyes ears, throat, lungs, bladder, rectum, etc. will be
utilized to expel the morbid material.

Inflammation or fever is a body crisis response to a life-threatening
situation. The body and the body alone creates the fever. It is an
evidence or symptom of increased and intense body activities directed at
cleansing and repair. The extraordinary energies employed for a fever are
at the expense of energies normally involved in digestion, work or play,
thinking and seeing, etc.
Fever is a healing activity. The idea of suppressing it is equivalent to
hitting a drowning man over the head so he'll stop struggling. For
instance, if rhinitis or influenza sufferers are drugged, it amounts to
hitting the body's healer over the head. Thus, the eliminative effort is
suppressed, and the toxicity increases until other organs, usually the
lungs, become saturated - not only with the toxicity but the drugs
administered as well.

When body vitality reasserts itself a condition known as pneumonia is
likely to result. Inflammation is the fourth stage of disease and is the
body’s most intense effort to cleanse and restore itself. The next stage of
disease is destructive and degenerative. It will result if the causes of
general body intoxication are continued.

5. Ulceration

Ulceration means that a staggering amount of cells and tissue structures
are being destroyed. Physiological systems are wiped out due to the
body's inability to live in an unceasing toxic media. Where tissue is
destroyed there remains a void.
An example is a canker sore of the mouth. Lesions or ulcers can occur in
other areas of the body also. These conditions are often intensely painful,
for there are exposed nerves. While the body may use an ulcer as an
outlet for extraordinary toxic buildup thereby relieving itself, it will heal
the ulcer if causes are discontinued, or if the toxicity level is significantly
lowered. This process of repairing the damage is like patching up pants
with holes in them. This patching up process is called induration.

6. Induration

Induration is a hardening of tissue or the filling in of tissue vacancy with
hard tissue. Scarring is a form of induration. But in this stage of disease,
there is direction and purpose in hardening. The space is filled, and the
toxic materials that threaten bodily integrity are encapsulated in a sac of
hardened tissue.
The ulcer and the toxic materials are sealed off by the hardening of the
tissue around them. This is a way of quarantining the toxic materials,
often called tumor formation. It is this condition that is often diagnosed
as cancer when in fact no cancer exists. Induration is the last stage
during which the body exerts intelligent control. Should the pathogenic
practices which brought matters to this stage be continued, cells and
tissue systems go wild. They survive as best they can on their own.

Cells become parasitic - living off the nutrients they can obtain from the
lymph fluid but contributing nothing to the body economy. They have
become disorganized. Their genetic encoding has been altered by the
poisons. Thus, they are not capable of intelligent normal organized action
within the context of a vital economy. When cells go wild in this manner,
the condition is called cancer.

7. Cancer

The endpoint of the evolution of disease is cancer. It is the last stage of
disease and is usually fatal, especially if the causes that brought it about
are continued. Cessation of causes and indulgence of healthful practices
may arrest it, for they can so revitalize the body that they may even
destroy the cancer cells. It's all relative.

Cancer cells live in a hostile environment but still divide and flourish as
long as nutrients are available to them. Cancer cells may be regarded as
cells that have become independent and have reverted to the status of
uncontrolled primitive cells -- cells that live entirely on their own as do
protozoa. These stages of disease are quite distinct in their characters,
yet the lines are more or less arbitrarily drawn. This often happens in
attempts at categorization where one form evolves into another. The
dividing lines have no clear-cut delineation.

People sometimes ask when cancer begins. Natural Hygienists say that it
begins with the first cold or rash of childhood. The first crisis a baby
endures begins the pathological chain that leads to cancer. This
evolutionary chain begins then because the phenomenon of life is one
constant violation of the laws of life from beginning to end.

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